{"id":51623,"date":"2016-09-30T11:27:00","date_gmt":"2016-09-30T16:27:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/content.findlaw-admin.com\/ability-legal\/supreme\/legal-commentary\/could-the-united-states-profit-from-a-loser-pays-winners-costs-civil-litigation-system-an-online-debate-sheds-light-on-the-subject.html"},"modified":"2016-09-30T11:27:00","modified_gmt":"2016-09-30T16:27:00","slug":"could-the-united-states-profit-from-a-loser-pays-winners-costs-civil-litigation-system-an-online-debate-sheds-light-on-the-subject","status":"publish","type":"supreme","link":"https:\/\/supreme.findlaw.com\/legal-commentary\/could-the-united-states-profit-from-a-loser-pays-winners-costs-civil-litigation-system-an-online-debate-sheds-light-on-the-subject.html","title":{"rendered":"Could the United States Profit from a Loser-Pays-Winner&#8217;s-Costs Civil Litigation System? An Online Debate Sheds Light on the Subject"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7  fl-block-columns fl-sectionWithSidebar fl-container fl-flex fl-flex-wrap fl-gap30\">\n    \n    <div class=\"fl-page-articles   fl-block-column fl-section-main fl-section-main-full-width\">\n        <div class=\"yui-g\" id=\"leftcol-module\">\n      <!-- Right Line of Links Section -->\n      <!-- BEGIN PICTURE INSERTION -->\n      <!-- BEGIN TITLE AND AUTHOR INSERTION -->\n      <table>\n        <tr>\n\n          <td width=\"100\" rowspan=\"3\" class=\"wiauthor\"><a href=\"\/legal-commentary\/anthony-sebok-archive\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://supreme.findlaw.com/static/f/images\/writ\/anthony.sebok.jpg\" border=\"0\"><\/a><\/td>\n          <td class=\"wititle\"><h1>Could the United States Profit from a Loser-Pays-Winner&#8217;s-Costs Civil Litigation System? An Online Debate Sheds Light on the Subject<\/h1><\/td>\n        <\/tr>\n        <tr>\n          <td class=\"wiauthor\"><a href=\"\/legal-commentary\/anthony-sebok-archive\" class=\"graybold\"><h2>By ANTHONY J. SEBOK <\/h2><br><\/a><\/td>\n        <\/tr>\n        <tr>\n          <td class=\"widate\">Tuesday, Aug. 26, 2008<\/td>\n\n        <\/tr>\n      <\/table>\n\n<span class=\"smalltext\">\n\n\n <p>Last week, I participated in an experiment in online debate  sponsored by <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/newtalk.org\/about.php\" rel=\"noopener\">a site called NewTalk<\/a><\/strong>. NewTalk is itself sponsored by Common Good,  which bills itself as a \u201ca nonpartisan coalition to restore reliability to  America&#8217;s legal system.\u201d (Full  disclosure: I once participated in a  conference sponsored by Common Good.)  Given that Common Good\u2019s starting point is that the legal system <u>should<\/u> be reformed, it obviously sits closer to the tort reform movement than to that  movement\u2019s opponents. But Common Good\u2019s  virtue is not that it is non-partisan, but that it invites participation from  partisans from all sides of the debate.<\/p>  \n<\/span>\n<span class=\"smalltext\">\n  <!-- START TABLE FOR RELATED -->\n   \n<!-- 300x250 AD -->\n\n  <p>NewTalk is concerned with much more than legal reform,  although the debate in which I participated last week was about  litigation. It was entitled, \u201cWould loser-pay  eliminate frivolous lawsuits and defenses?\u201d \u201cLoser-pay\u201d requires that the loser  in a civil lawsuit pays the winner\u2019s expenses.<\/p>\n  <\/span>\n<p>The debate, which proved to be very interesting, confirmed two  points for me: First, the Internet can  provide an avenue for public education about public policy that is different  from those offered by the mainstream  media and academia, and that offers some unique advantages. Second, after years of debate over the civil  litigation system, we still lack good empirical research upon which policy  decisions can be made.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Value of Internet Debate: The  Possibility of More Honest, Responsive Public Policy Discussion <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>As to the first point, I will not say much more other than  to recommend that readers of Writ visit the NewTalk website and see it for  themselves. I have been writing about  the civil litigation system in various public venues for years now, and I try  to keep up with the writings of others.  In the NewTalk discussion, which took place over 48 hours, the group of  policy experts with whom I was communicating was able to achieve something  which rarely happens in other venues.: Because we all knew we would be subject  to the instant response of others in the group, everyone was kept pretty  honest. <\/p>\n<p>There were no flights into demagoguery or urban myth, as so  often happens when people write on their own.  Furthermore, I detected an effort from all sides to craft arguments that  might win over the others, which did not reduce the debate to blandness, but  elevated the quality of the argument.  All in all, the debate left me feeling pretty good about the future of  public policy debate in the U.S.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Initial Questions About  \u201cLoser-Pay\u201d: Would Transition Costs  Outweigh Gains? And, Is It Fair to Call Certain Suits \u201cFrivolous\u201d? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately, while I was impressed by the debate itself, it  also left me pretty depressed about the future of intelligent reform of the  civil justice system.<\/p>\n<p>As noted above, the question that was posed by the moderator  at NewTalk was \u201cWould loser-pay eliminate frivolous lawsuits and defenses?\u201d To begin, any proposal that American change  to \u201closer-pay\u201d faces serious practical impediments. Granted, \u201closer-pay\u201d is the rule virtually  everywhere outside of the U.S. Even common law nations like England that  allow contingency fees (where attorneys take a percentage of the judgment in  cases they win) also have loser-pay.  However, the American Rule \u2013 each party pays its own costs &#8212; is deeply  entrenched in our legal system. Getting  rid of it in favor of loser-pays would be a big deal; and an argument to adopt  loser-pays has to bear the weight of justifying such a big change. Even if a move to \u201closer-pay\u201d did reduce frivolous  lawsuits and defenses, that gain might be dwarfed by the transition costs to  \u201closer-pays.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>At first, during the NewTalk debate, those participants who  traditionally have criticized the tort reform movement attacked the question  because of its use of the word \u201cfrivolous,\u201d which connotes deliberate  wrongdoing on the part of lawyers or their clients. \u201cFrivolous\u201d lawsuits\u2014suits filed without  factual or legal foundation\u2014are already subject to a variety of sanctions,  including those imposed under the federal system\u2019s Rule 11, which exists for  just this purpose. The tort reform  movement has cataloged incidents of clearly frivolous lawsuits, such as the  famous D.C. \u201cdry cleaner\u201d suits for $54 million dollars <strong><a href=\"\/legal-commentary\/the-resolution-of-the-famous-multimillion-dollar-pant-suit-filed-by-a-judge-why-the-drycleaner-defendants-defeated-the-plaintiff.html\">about which I  have written<\/a><\/strong>. The problem is  that we do not know how often they occur.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Real Problem: \u201cNegative-Value\u201d Suits<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>To the credit of the group, we did not dwell too long on the  problem of \u201cfrivolous\u201d lawsuits, as that term is typically used. The group slowly moved towards a consensus  that the real problem is not those lawyers (and their clients) who know that  they are bringing groundless claims. Rather,  the real problem involves those suits where the combined cost of figuring out  the merits of the suit exceeds the value of the suit. This is what is known as a \u201cnegative-value\u201d  claim.<\/p>\n<p>Many consumer fraud claims are negative-value claims. Take for example, a claim by a phone customer  that his or her cell phone plan contained a \u201chidden\u201d cost and that, had they  known about the cost, they would have chosen another cell phone provider. The cost of ascertaining the truth of this  claim through litigation is likely to be much higher than the value of the  claim. <\/p>\n<p>The same can be true in cases involving non-trivial  sums. It is obvious that people often  leave hospitals worse off than when they entered, but in some cases, that is no  one\u2019s fault\u2014it is an inevitable feature of trying to provide healthcare. Thus, when a plaintiff walks into her  lawyer\u2019s office with an injury, the question is typically not \u201cIs she faking it?\u201d  but rather \u201cWas the injury the result of the hospital\u2019s malpractice?\u201d The cost of figuring that out can be very  high, and can begin to mount up from the very first moment the hospital  receives notice of the suit. The cost of  investigation, expert\u2019s opinions, and legal expenses can easily outstrip the  cost to the patient of the injury.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Dilemma Posed by \u201cNegative-Value\u201d  Suits: They Do Have Advantages<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The problem with negative-value suits is that, if they have  merit, we may well want them to go forward, for a variety of reasons. Indeed, the adjudication of a negative-value  suit where the defendant is found to have been a wrongdoer provides numerous  benefits.<\/p>\n<p>First, it sends a deterrent signal to the defendant, thus  producing (one hopes) safer behavior in the future. Second, let\u2019s assume that the cost of the  suit to the plaintiff and the defendant <em>combined<\/em> is greater than the cost of the plaintiff\u2019s injury. Even so, unless there is a settlement or a  damage award to the plaintiff, much of the cost savings that occur when negative-value  suits are not brought go to the defendant.  Usually, if a negative-value suit is not brought, that leaves the  plaintiff (or his insurer) paying for the cost of an accident that may have  been the defendant\u2019s responsibility \u2013 which is both unfair, and troubling from  the standpoint of deterrence.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Can Loser-Pay Solve the Dilemma Posed  by Negative-Value Suits? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The NewTalk discussion made several points clear: First, the dilemma posed by the problem of the  negative-value suit is something about which discussants from all political  positions may agree. Second, the  practical question of whether loser-pay would help ameliorate that dilemma is  something upon which the discussants disagreed. <\/p>\n<p>As would be expected, the participants in last week\u2019s debate  split down party lines: Those who can be  described as sympathetic to the tort reform movement claimed that loser-pay  would encourage lawyers to invest more money early on to figure out which negative-value  cases were more likely meritorious, while those opposed to the tort reform  movement predicted that loser-pay would drive out the meritorious negative-value  suits along with the meritless.  Furthermore, the two groups clearly disagreed about the deterrent value  of meritorious negative-value suits.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Problem: A Lack of Empirical Evidence<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Neither side could convince the other, because neither side  had any useful empirical information. We  really have no idea how much it would cost to increase our ability to identify  meritorious negative-value suits early on.  Most proposals involved increasing the power of judges to examine the  merits of a suit early on, an idea that is highly controversial among those who  ally themselves with the plaintiffs\u2019 bar.  No one seems to want to discuss the idea that perhaps we should, like  the Europeans, invest judges with greater independent powers to demand and  review evidence from both sides of the dispute.<\/p>\n<p>Furthermore, we really do not know what percentage of  meritless lawsuits\u2014especially negative-value suits\u2014are brought by hard-core  liars who know that they have no claim, and what percentage are brought by  sincere lawyers and clients who need discovery and pretrial practice to find  out whether the other side is really a wrongdoer. The use of anecdotes has not brought us any  closer to getting a sense of the answer to this all-important question. <\/p>\nBoth sides of the tort-reform debate will be unable to  go beyond the limited consensus that was achieved last week at the NewTalk  debate until and unless we have a lot more empirical evidence about the performance  of our civil litigation system. Why  there has not been a demand for significant funding from the state and federal  government into measuring the accuracy and cost of the current system is a bit  of a mystery to me. Until we do have  this information, though, even salutary efforts like those of NewTalk will inevitably  result in experts talking past each other.\n<hr size=\"1\">\n<p class=\"authorfoot\">\n\n<!-- BEGIN AUTHORS FOOTNOTE -->\n<a name=\"bio\"><\/a>\nAnthony J. Sebok, a FindLaw columnist, is a Professor at Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law in New York City. 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