{"id":53736,"date":"2016-09-30T11:27:00","date_gmt":"2016-09-30T16:27:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/content.findlaw-admin.com\/ability-legal\/supreme\/legal-commentary\/the-ninth-circuit-errs-in-santa-cruz-city-council-protester-case.html"},"modified":"2016-09-30T11:27:00","modified_gmt":"2016-09-30T16:27:00","slug":"the-ninth-circuit-errs-in-santa-cruz-city-council-protester-case","status":"publish","type":"supreme","link":"https:\/\/supreme.findlaw.com\/legal-commentary\/the-ninth-circuit-errs-in-santa-cruz-city-council-protester-case.html","title":{"rendered":"The Ninth Circuit Errs in Santa Cruz City Council Protester Case"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7  fl-block-columns fl-sectionWithSidebar fl-container fl-flex fl-flex-wrap fl-gap30\">\n    \n    <div class=\"fl-page-articles   fl-block-column fl-section-main fl-section-main-full-width\">\n        <div class=\"yui-g\" id=\"leftcol-module\">\n      <!-- Right Line of Links Section -->\n      <!-- BEGIN PICTURE INSERTION -->\n      <!-- BEGIN TITLE AND AUTHOR INSERTION -->\n      <table>\n        <tr>\n\n          <td width=\"100\" rowspan=\"3\" class=\"wauthor\"><a href=\"\/legal-commentary\/akhil-amar-and-vikram-amar-archive\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://supreme.findlaw.com/static/f/images\/writ\/amar.brownstein.jpg\" border=\"0\" alt=\"Vikram David Amar and Alan Brownstein\"><\/a><\/td>\n\n          <td class=\"wititle\"><h1>The Ninth Circuit Errs in Santa Cruz City Council Protester Case<\/h1><\/td>\n        <\/tr>\n\n        <tr>\n          <td class=\"wauthor\"><a href=\"\/legal-commentary\/akhil-amar-and-vikram-amar-archive\" class=\"graybold\"><h2>By VIKRAM DAVID AMAR and ALAN BROWNSTEIN<\/h2><br><\/a><\/td>\n        <\/tr>\n        <tr>\n          <td class=\"widate\">Friday, November 20, 2009<\/td>\n\n        <\/tr>\n      <\/table>\n\n<p>In this column, we return to a case that we <a href=\"\/legal-commentary\/disorder-in-the-council-room-does-it-violate-the-first-amendment-to-remove-a-citizen-from-a-city-council-meeting-for-making-a-nazi-salute-gesture.html\">first wrote about over two years ago<\/a>,  involving a silent but pesky protester at a city council meeting who was  arrested for his expressive conduct, and who then sued city officials under the  First Amendment.<\/p>\n<p>  When we analyzed the dispute in our  earlier column, the case &#8212; <em>Norse v. City  of Santa Cruz<\/em> &#8212; was going up to the United States Court of Appeals for the  Ninth Circuit. Two weeks ago, the Ninth  Circuit issued <a href=\"https:\/\/caselaw.findlaw.com\/court\/us-9th-circuit\/\" rel=\"noopener\">its ruling<\/a>, affirming  a decision by the trial judge to dismiss the First Amendment claims.<\/p>\n<p>  The appellate ruling is  somewhat disappointing; one would have hoped the Ninth Circuit would have  reached a more fair-minded result and issued a more well-reasoned opinion, even  if the plaintiff seems to some folks to be a bit of a pest.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The  Facts of the Case<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>  The  facts of the case are pretty straightforward and &#8212; unlike the inferences the  Ninth Circuit judges drew from those facts &#8212; largely uncontested. In 2002, Robert Norse was ejected from the  audience at a Santa Cruz City Council meeting after he silently but  emphatically raised his arm for one second simulating a Nazi salute.<\/p>\n<p>  It appears that Norse made the Nazi  salute in order to protest the Mayor&#8217;s decision to cut off an animated  individual who was at the podium in the front of the room during the meeting&#8217;s  &#8220;public comment&#8221; period, but whose time had expired. As the Mayor was silencing the speaker, one  or two members of the audience (but not Norse) in the rear of the room  &#8220;were creating a disruption.&#8221;  Importantly, Norse&#8217;s salute was made after the people causing the ruckus  had already left the room and the arguably boisterous speaker had left the  podium.<\/p>\n<p>  Although  the Mayor had quickly moved on to other business and thus did not see Norse&#8217;s  sarcastic salute, a Councilmember interrupted the Mayor, told him of Norse&#8217;s  gesture (which Norse had made at earlier Council meetings as well, to the  displeasure of the Council), and asked that the Mayor remove Norse because  Norse had offended the &#8220;dignity of the body.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>  Norse then began to challenge  the Councilmember&#8217;s suggestion that he be expelled, and the Mayor immediately  said to Norse: &#8220;Please leave.&#8221; After Norse refused and was arrested,  he filed suit arguing that the Mayor&#8217;s action and the subsequent arrest  violated the First Amendment.<\/p>\n<p> We  strongly recommend that readers view the event for themselves, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=ZOssHWB6WBI\" rel=\"noopener\">using  this link to YouTube<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The District Judge&#8217;s Opinion and the  Ninth Circuit&#8217;s Affirmance<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>  Federal district judge Ronald  Whyte in San Jose dismissed the lawsuit, reasoning that cities have a  &#8220;great deal of discretion&#8221; to enforce public-meeting decorum rules,  provided that the rules target disruptive behavior and do not punish  individuals on account of their message.<\/p>\n<p>  Although the Councilmember&#8217;s  reaction to Norse might have been based on the content of Norse&#8217;s expression,  Judge Whyte explained, the Mayor &#8220;was suddenly faced with a meeting that  had been interrupted by an offended council member,&#8221; and one in which  &#8220;Norse had begun to verbally challenge&#8221; the Councilmember. Under these circumstances, Judge Whyte ruled  that the Mayor&#8217;s actions were permissible.  In <a href=\"\/legal-commentary\/disorder-in-the-council-room-does-it-violate-the-first-amendment-to-remove-a-citizen-from-a-city-council-meeting-for-making-a-nazi-salute-gesture.html\">our  earlier column<\/a>, we argued that Judge Whyte&#8217;s First Amendment  analysis was flawed.<\/p>\n<p>  The Ninth Circuit panel, by a 2-1  vote, affirmed Judge Whyte&#8217;s dismissal, on similar but slightly different  reasoning from that used by Judge Whyte.<\/p>\n<p>  After  acknowledging that decorum rules &#8220;may not be enforced in order to suppress  a particular viewpoint,&#8221; the Ninth Circuit majority concluded that:<br>\n  &#8220;on the basis of the undisputed factual record and  the videotaped proceedings, it is clear that the salute was in protest of the  chair&#8217;s enforcing the time limitations and in support of the disruption that  had just occurred in the back of the meeting room. We [therefore] agree with the district court  that the ejection was not on account of any permissible expression of a point  of view. . . . The Council member who  called the salute to the Mayor&#8217;s attention could reasonably have interpreted it  as intended to support and to further the disruption that had just been  occurring in the room.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><strong>The  Problems Plaguing the Ninth Circuit&#8217;s Approach<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>  We  see a host of problems with the Ninth Circuit&#8217;s analysis. At the outset, let us put to one side the  large question whether the &#8220;disruption&#8221; bar is set too low in this  case &#8212; that is, as we asked in our earlier column, whether the First Amendment  and democracy require city officials to be more thick-skinned and more tolerant  of minor disorder than they were in this episode. For present purposes, we will assume that the  persons in the back of the Santa Cruz City Council room really were engaged in  the (significant) kind of disruption that can be prohibited and punished.<\/p>\n<p>  Even  then, the Ninth Circuit&#8217;s ruling is troubling.  First, the court&#8217;s conclusion that Norse&#8217;s expressive action was  &#8220;clear[ly] . . . in support of the disruption&#8221; is, to be blunt, hard  to swallow. Norse <u>might<\/u> have been  supporting the disruption; it seems more likely that he was signaling his  disapproval of the way the speaker in the front of the room was being handled  by the Council, regardless of whether he thought that the speaker&#8217;s  persistence, or the disruption in the back of the room, was legitimate. At this stage in the litigation, before a  trial has occurred, all reasonable inferences are supposed to be resolved in  Norse&#8217;s favor. To say that it is  &#8220;clear&#8221; that he was expressing himself &#8220;in support of the  disruption&#8221; simply isn&#8217;t plausible or fair.<\/p>\n<p>  The  Ninth Circuit majority itself seemed to realize its overreaching here, because  it later restated its point in less absolute terms, saying that &#8220;the  Council Member who called the salute to the Mayor&#8217;s attention could reasonably  have interpreted [Norse&#8217;s act] as intended to support and to further the disruption.&#8221; What someone else could reasonably interpret  Norse as having intended is very different from what Norse himself  &#8220;clear[ly]&#8221; intended.<\/p>\n<p>  One  Key Question: Why Did the Ninth Circuit  Deem Norse&#8217;s Intent To Be So Important Here?<\/p>\n<p>  That  brings us to a second weakness of the majority opinion &#8212; namely, its failure  to explain why Norse&#8217;s intent is so important in any event. Judge Tashima in his dissent argued that  Norse&#8217;s intent is totally irrelevant. We  would not go that far. A speaker&#8217;s intent  sometimes has relevance in free speech cases. But the Councilmember&#8217;s actual  intent in ordering Norse&#8217;s removal may be even more relevant to the First  Amendment analysis.<\/p>\n<p>  Consider  Norse&#8217;s alleged motive first. While  intent may be an important element of many offenses, it serves a special  purpose when the alleged wrongdoing constitutes public speech with political  content and First Amendment principles are in play. As noted constitutional scholar Kent Greenawalt  has argued, in such situations government sanctions must be limited to  situations in which the accused has evinced some serious intent to solicit or  encourage specific wrongdoing. Permitting  liability based on any intent below that level risks punishing critical or  unpopular advocacy under the guise of trying to avoid unlawful  consequences. Greenawalt adds that the  necessary intent cannot be found unless &#8220;external facts foreclose other  possible constructions&#8221; of the speaker&#8217;s conduct. The facts here do not come close to  satisfying that exacting standard.<\/p>\n<p>  Moreover,  given the broad agreement among First  Amendment scholars and judges that the government may not act in a  viewpoint-based way, that is, it may not act in order to stifle a particular  message, the intent of the Councilmember who escalated the situation would seem  to be the most important state of mind into which inquiry need be made. And whether or not the Councilmember could  &#8220;reasonably&#8221; have understood Norse to be &#8220;in support of&#8221;  the disruption, that Councilmember actually explained his own intent behind  removing Norse so that we needn&#8217;t speculate about it&#8211; he said he was  intervening because he found Norse&#8217;s action to be offensive &#8220;to the  dignity of the body.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>  Notice  that the Councilmember did not say that he found Norse&#8217;s action to be disruptive  or likely to encourage others to be disruptive.  Instead, the government official responsible for ejecting Norse himself  objected only to Norse&#8217;s having inflicted damage to the &#8220;dignity&#8221; of  the Council. That sounds a lot like a viewpoint-based  motivation to us \u2013 singling Norse out because Norse&#8217;s message is critical of  the Council and its rules. The  Councilmember&#8217;s motive also problematically echoes the more general Santa Cruz  decorum policy, which by its written terms is viewpoint-based in its  prohibition of any &#8220;language [by a member of the public] tending to bring  the Council or any Councilmember into contempt.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>  Thus,  even if Norse did &#8220;intend to support&#8221; the disruption, such intended  support of the disruptors does not appear to have been the motivation for his  ejection. At a minimum, that is a  factual question on which Norse should have been entitled to a trial.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Even  Assuming It Was True that Norse Intended to Support and Further the Disruption  that Had Occurred, What About the Fact that His Actions Carried No Significant  Risk of Further Disruption?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>  That  brings us to the third, and most interesting, question raised by the majority  opinion. Suppose Norse did &#8220;intend  to support and further the disruption.&#8221;  And suppose further (which seems unlikely) that the City Councilmember  who escalated the incident and caused Norse&#8217;s ejection did so because Norse had  such an intent. So what? As Judge Tashima argued (and the majority  never disputed), there is no way anyone could conclude without a trial (or in  our view even with a trial) that Norse&#8217;s conduct was, in fact, itself  disruptive.<\/p>\n<p>  We  are confronted, then, with the following question: Can a city council evict a speaker whose  expression is intended to cause or further a disruption, but which in fact does  not create or advance one? Can, in other  words, the city punish &#8220;attempted furtherance of a disruption&#8221; the  same way it can (and does) punish actual disruption?<\/p>\n<p>  It  is not hard to imagine scenarios in which this kind of situation would raise interesting  and challenging issues. Some types of  expression may fall outside the First Amendment whether or not the expression  brings about the harm society is trying to avoid in banning the  expression. So, for example, an  &#8220;attempted threat&#8221; &#8212; where someone intends to threaten another by a  phone call, but ends up dialing a wrong number, so that the listener never  hears the threatening message &#8212; might be punishable just as completed threats  are.<\/p>\n<p>  Or  imagine that Norse had intended and attempted to disrupt the meeting by talking  into a megaphone while the City Council members were speaking, only to find out  that the switch on his megaphone was broken.  In that instance, perhaps he could be punished for what he intended and  attempted.<\/p>\n<p><strong>An  Analogy: The Crime of Incitement<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>    But  note that in both of the circumstances described above, the speech that was  uttered (or intended to be uttered) was itself harmful or disruptive. In Norse&#8217;s actual case, his salute was not inherently  disruptive or injurious to the functioning of the Council. (Indeed, no one has even tried to argue that  it was.) <u>Instead, what, according to  the Ninth Circuit, makes his actions punishable is their intended effect in  encouraging other people to act in a disruptive way.<\/u><\/p>\n<p>    That is significant, for speech that  creates harm in and of itself may be quite different than speech that creates  harm only when it influences others to act in undesirable ways. Norse&#8217;s alleged  wrongdoing, if it is wrongdoing at all, must be based on his soliciting or  encouraging the disruptive conduct of others.<\/p>\n<p>  The  closest analogy in the case law to this kind of a wrongdoing concerns the crime  of &#8220;incitement&#8221; &#8212; that is,  expression that is punishable because it may cause others to commit acts of  violence or other unlawful deeds. Importantly, in the incitement context, the  Supreme Court has made clear that the First Amendment places limits on what  government may proscribe. <u>In  particular, the First Amendment requires the government to show both that the  speaker intends others to act (unlawfully and imminently) on his words, and  that the speech &#8220;is likely to incite or produce such action,&#8221; before the speech may be punished.<\/u><\/p>\n<p>  In  Norse&#8217;s case, the Ninth Circuit never even suggested, let alone demonstrated,  that Norse&#8217;s salute, even if &#8220;intended&#8221; to further the disruption,  was remotely likely in fact to generate more disruption. Indeed, no such suggestion would be tenable,  since the people responsible for the disruption had already left the room and\/or  the podium at the time of the salute.<\/p>\n<p>  In this context, then,  if Norse did intend to &#8220;support&#8221; or &#8220;further&#8221; the disruption, then his support  was more abstract than inciting. And if an  actual likelihood of another person acting is required by the First Amendment  in the incitement context &#8212; where the incited conduct can involve violence  that is much more serious than disruption of a city council meeting &#8212; it would  seem odd at the very least that the First Amendment standard for allowing  punishment could be any lower in Norse&#8217;s situation.<\/p>\n<p>  At  a minimum, the Ninth Circuit opinion needed to engage in some kind of careful analysis  to support its seemingly new and more government-friendly rule here. Disappointingly, it did not. But as we all know, when your main focus is  to swat a (gad)fly, you can make a mess if you&#8217;re not careful.<\/p>\n<hr size=\"1\">\n<p><a name=\"bio\" id=\"bio\"><\/a>Vikram David Amar, a FindLaw columnist, is the Associate Dean for Academic Affairs and Professor of Law at the University of California, Davis School of Law. He is a 1988 graduate of the Yale Law School, and a former clerk to Justice Harry Blackmun. He is a co-author, along with William Cohen and Jonathan Varat, of a major constitutional law casebook, and a co-author of several volumes of the Wright &amp; Miller treatise on federal practice and procedure. 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