{"id":54050,"date":"2016-09-30T11:27:00","date_gmt":"2016-09-30T16:27:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/content.findlaw-admin.com\/ability-legal\/supreme\/legal-commentary\/the-supreme-courts-recent-child-pornography-decision-why-justices-souter-and-ginsburg-dissented.html"},"modified":"2016-09-30T11:27:00","modified_gmt":"2016-09-30T16:27:00","slug":"the-supreme-courts-recent-child-pornography-decision-why-justices-souter-and-ginsburg-dissented","status":"publish","type":"supreme","link":"https:\/\/supreme.findlaw.com\/legal-commentary\/the-supreme-courts-recent-child-pornography-decision-why-justices-souter-and-ginsburg-dissented.html","title":{"rendered":"The Supreme Court&#8217;s Recent Child Pornography Decision: Why Justices Souter and Ginsburg Dissented"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7  fl-block-columns fl-sectionWithSidebar fl-container fl-flex fl-flex-wrap fl-gap30\">\n    \n    <div class=\"fl-page-articles   fl-block-column fl-section-main fl-section-main-full-width\">\n        <div class=\"yui-g\" id=\"leftcol-module\">\n      <!-- Right Line of Links Section -->\n      <!-- BEGIN PICTURE INSERTION -->\n      <!-- BEGIN TITLE AND AUTHOR INSERTION -->\n      <table>\n        <tr>\n\n          <td width=\"100\" rowspan=\"3\" class=\"wiauthor\"><a href=\"\/legal-commentary\/julie-hilden-archive\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://supreme.findlaw.com/static/f/images\/writ\/julie.hilden.jpg\" border=\"0\"><\/a><\/td>\n          <td class=\"wititle\"><h1>The Supreme Court&#8217;s Recent Child Pornography Decision: Why Justices Souter and Ginsburg Dissented:  Part Two in a Two-Part Series of Columns<\/h1><\/td>\n        <\/tr>\n        <tr>\n          <td class=\"wiauthor\"><a href=\"\/legal-commentary\/julie-hilden-archive\" class=\"graybold\"><h2>By JULIE HILDEN <\/h2><br><\/a><\/td>\n        <\/tr>\n        <tr>\n          <td class=\"widate\">Monday, Jun. 23, 2008<\/td>\n\n        <\/tr>\n      <\/table>\n\n<span class=\"smalltext\">\n\n\n<p>Recently, in <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/caselaw.findlaw.com\/court\/us-supreme-court\/553\/285.html\" rel=\"noopener\">United States v. Williams<\/a><\/strong>,  the Supreme Court upheld a federal statute prohibiting the offering or seeking  of child pornography. There is no  question that Congress can make such behavior illegal, and punish it  harshly. However, the statute in  question was constitutionally problematic in several ways. The Court nonetheless upheld it, 7-2, rather  than invalidating it and forcing Congress to draft and pass a more clearly  constitutional version of the law. Yet  that is something Congress surely could have done: What legislator wants to be on the record as  voting against an anti-child-pornography law?<\/p>  \n<\/span>\n<span class=\"smalltext\">\n  <!-- START TABLE FOR RELATED -->\n   \n<!-- 300x250 AD -->\n\n  <p>One problem with the statute was that its state-of-mind  requirement was ill-defined \u2013 as I discussed in <strong><a href=\"\/legal-commentary\/the-supreme-courts-recent-child-pornography-decision-and-the-problem-with-narrowly-construing-statutes-with-first-amendment-implications.html\">Part One<\/a><\/strong> of this series of columns. Another  problem \u2013 the one I will focus upon here \u2013 is that the statute was interpreted  by the Court to sweep in the act of knowingly or unknowingly passing off  virtual child pornography (which involves no real children) as real. In other words, according to the Court, the  fact that the pornography at issue contained no images of real children is no  defense. <\/p>\n  \n<\/span>\n<p>In this column, I\u2019ll argue that the root of the problem here  is Congress\u2019 attempting to address two very different problems with the same  statute and potential penalties. I\u2019ll  also explain why this ruling triggered a dissent by Justices David Souter and  Ruth Bader Ginsburg. <\/p>\n<p><strong>A Crime with Elusive Harm \u2013 Or At Least  Harm that Is Different From the Harm of the Crime at the Heart of the Statute<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>In my view, Congress erred by addressing two distinct  problems in the same statute: the offering of real child pornography, and the  passing off of virtual child pornography (knowingly or not) as real.<\/p>\n<p>The harm of offering real child pornography is  devastating. It presupposes and is  parasitical upon the crime of sexually abusing a child. Moreover, its dissemination re-victimizes  the children involved \u2013 who could consent to neither the acts, nor the creation  of images of them, nor the dissemination of the images. The penalties, therefore, are rightly  severe, for they can take all these harms into account.<\/p>\n<p>In contrast, the harm of <u>knowingly<\/u> passing off  virtual child pornography as real is elusive, and possibly nonexistent. Ironically, this act may actually have a  positive effect: Infusing virtual child  pornography into the market may mean that real child pornography is crowded  out. After all, the making of virtual  child pornography <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/caselaw.findlaw.com\/court\/us-supreme-court\/535\/234.html\" rel=\"noopener\">is constitutionally-protected<\/a><\/strong>,  according to the Supreme Court, and the making of real child pornography is a  very serious crime. Only the sickest  seller would thus opt to distribute real child pornography. <\/p>\n<p>Moreover, the person who knowingly defrauds another into  accepting virtual child pornography may have prevented him from buying the real  thing from someone else. In that sense,  this may be an oddly beneficial kind of fraud \u2013 very different from, say,  defrauding someone into accepting a used car as new. <\/p>\n<p>So, why would Congress criminalize this kind of knowing  fraud? The reason may be sheer distaste  for the content of the material. But  Congress cannot base its regulation upon distaste when the material is, as  here, protected by the First Amendment.  Moreover, if our system is to be fair, blind distaste that should not  substitute for a reasoned examination of the effects of the fraud. <\/p>\n<p>Another reason may be a theory of criminal propensity\u2013 the  idea that next time, the fraudster may offer real wares, and that users of  child pornography who believe it is real (even if it is not) are still more  likely to abuse children. But we generally  do not base our system on propensity \u2013 especially the latter kind of  propensity, where speech is assumed to lead to action. Thus it is worth looking more closely, and  empirically, at whether these theories &#8212; that fraudsters will become  pornographers or porn-sellers, and that virtual pornography feeds child abuse,  rather than substituting for it \u2013 are true. <\/p>\n<p>All these points indicate, I believe, that Congress would  have been better served not to lump together pornography-hawkers and knowing  fraudsters in the same statute. But what  about <u>unknowing<\/u> fraudsters \u2013 those who pass off virtual child  pornography as real? That is, what about  situations where both seller and customer believe the pornography at issue is  real, but in fact, it is not? This  factual scenario is what led to Justices Souter and Ginsburg\u2019s dissent. <\/p>\n<p><strong>Justice Scalia\u2019s  Argument versus Justice Souter\u2019s Argument<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>  Justice Scalia\u2019s argument, in writing  for the majority, went as follows: <\/p>\n<p>To begin, it\u2019s clear the government  can constitutionally criminalize unknowingly selling baker powder as cocaine,  even though baking powder is innocuous, because the seller was attempting to  illegally sell cocaine. So, unknowing  frauds can plainly be criminalized.<\/p>\n<p>Now, unlike baking powder, virtual  child pornography is First-Amendment-protected.  But the government can also criminalize passing  First-Amendment-protected national security documents to the press with the  wrongful belief that they are classified, when in fact they have been declassified  and are fully accessible to the public.  This is true because the person passing the documents to the press  attempted to illegally pass classified documents. So, unknowing frauds involving  First-Amendment-protected materials can also plainly be criminalized. <\/p>\n<p> Souter\u2019s  response, in essence, is this: Applying  the attempt doctrine to national security documents will not tend to wipe out a  First-Amendment-protected type of material, but applying the attempt doctrine  to virtual child pornography will do just that.  The Court\u2019s opinion makes clear that for offering or seeking child  pornography to be a crime, no money need change hands, and few will create what  cannot be exchanged without risking criminal penalties. (Granted, offering virtual child pornography <u>with an extremely clear description that that is exactly what it is<\/u>,  remains legal \u2013 but if an email or chat room comment is unclear, the way is  opened for prosecution.) <\/p>\n<p>Souter notes that virtual child  pornography is very unpopular, but notes, too, that the Court\u2019s and the First  Amendment\u2019s function has always been to protect unpopular speech as long as it  falls within the First Amendment\u2019s protections. The Court had held virtual child pornography  to be First-Amendment-protected in its prior case holding virtual child  pornography to be protected; now, Congress was creating an end-run around the  Court\u2019s holding, and worse, the Court was acquiescing. <\/p>\n<p>Ultimately, Souter was troubled by this dynamic, as  was Justice Ginsburg, who joined his dissent \u2013 and rightly so. The next free speech decision by the Court  that Congress undermines may well involve political speech that is just as  unpopular, but just as constitutionally-protected as (indeed, even more so  than) the materials at issue here.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr size=\"1\">\n<p class=\"authorfoot\">\n\n<!-- BEGIN AUTHORS FOOTNOTE -->\n<a name=\"bio\"><\/a>\nJulie Hilden, who graduated from Yale Law School, practiced First Amendment law at the D.C. law firm of Williams &amp; Connolly from 1996-99. Hilden is also a novelist. 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